| between two imports - 05.21.10 |
| submitter: | robert kershaw |
| location: | berkeley, california |
| Suzuki is from Iowa,Emily's home state and Penelope's middle name |
| category: | Seen Worse |
| comments: | 12 |
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| robert k commented on 05.24.10 | | Kiowa were Plains people that migrated from northern plains to southern Oklahoma not sure whether they spoke Sioux or not a lot depends on the root language group (Sioux not being a root language) |
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| robert k commented on 05.24.10 | | it would have been an oral language without written form. also good to note that the names we use to identify an Indigenous group are usually an adaptation of the names that other groups gave them and that these differed a lot from what they called themselves. |
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| wim commented on 05.24.10 | | Robert, was it only a spoken language, or did they have a written form? Is it stil spoken? |
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| wim commented on 05.24.10 | | but I think the Kiowa where Sioux-speaking people. |
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| wim commented on 05.24.10 | | I read the Iowa were Chiwere, while the siouw were nadowessioux, nadowe-is-wi, meaning snake or addder, a metaphore for ennemy. In reading the history of the Native American People, it is a bit like Europe in the 9th century, linguistic relations, power, oppression, but somehow the american tribes are romanised, perhaps because of the great plaines |
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| robert k commented on 05.23.10 | | Yes I've heard the term Iowa Sioux used. Sioux can refer to any cultural group (tribe) within the Great Sioux Nation or any of the Sioux language dialects. |
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| wim commented on 05.23.10 | | just to know more, are they related to the Sioux? This difference between autonym and names given by outsiders still existst in our low countries, Dutch people would never give thelselves teh name "cheese head", whereas we do, it is not very polite, but it is still common use and it mlakes sense, whereas the french word for germans " bosh", does not make any sens at all. Is Pokahontas a real word in any Native American Language, or is it a Disney-word? |
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| robert k commented on 05.23.10 | | it is... The Iowa (also spelled Ioway), also known as the Báxoje, are a Native American Siouan people. Their name has been said to come from ayuhwa ("asleep"), but their autonym (their name for themselves) is Báxoje pronounced [ˌbaˈxodʒɛ, ˌpaˈxodʒɛ] (alternate spellings: pahotcha, Bah-kho-je) ("dusted faces" or "grey snow"). The translation "dusted faces" is a likely folk etymology, since the Ioway words use different consonants.[1] Early European explorers often adopted the names of tribes from the ethnonyms which other tribes gave them, not understanding that these differed from what the peoples called themselves. Thus, ayuhwa is not an Ioway word. The word Ioway comes from Dakotan ayuxbe via French aiouez. The Ioway called themselves Báxoje or a variant thereof. |
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| wim commented on 05.22.10 | | what a combination, today you are better off with the swedish part, I thought it would have been Penelope Suzuki, but I like the Iowa name. Is it native american? |
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| robert k commented on 05.22.10 | | Emily's roots are Swedish and Greek |
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| robert k commented on 05.22.10 | | Penelope Iowa Kershaw PIK |
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| wim commented on 05.22.10 | | she has PSK as initials? we have a group of architects by that name. Emiliy has asian roots? |
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